I don’t know, I guess a couple of things, like, I feel like we’ve really hit our stride with the Bradford. I feel like that’s really like come together. Us to be able to look at what was coming down the pipeline for 2021 and staff accordingly, I was really proud of us for making that decision because when we were in the middle of it, it made it so much easier.

So I think weathering that, I mean, it’s been good financially. So it feels like there’s more possibilities, right? Yeah, I feel, I know Dana’s joked about it most, most, multiple times this year, that this is the first year she’s felt well compensated for what she does. It’s true. Yeah, I think it’s been a good year, for business. I think it’s been a good year for our business. 

Dana: I mean, I echo, I agree with all those things but I think. So the most rewarding parts of 2021 I think is actually the unknown of the year and an unknown of what next year is going to be.

And then that sounds really weird, but like, I feel like we’ve had all this opportunity come up all the sudden then. Something here, something there and all these ways you look at, you’re like, wow, our life could go in a completely different direction, and I think that’s been really neat to be able to start thinking again about getting out to officially get out of the trenches, which we really tried to do in 20, or was our goal for 2020.

And then we had to be right back in with everybody, but to really be able to see that we can get out and, start really putting our energy and efforts into stuff we really want to do. Yeah, like the podcast, you know, doing more training, more like big consulting things and more speaking and stuff like that. So I think that’s been really neat. It’s very validating. 

Courtney: I love that in general though, about business. I feel like I’ve I have succumbed to the unknowingness of what your future’s going to look like when it comes to small business in general, like what’s around the river bend kind of situation.

Dana: But I feel like, I feel like too, like when opportunities came up before it, to me, like it wasn’t, it wasn’t passion filled opportunities. It was just like, oh, this is a great opportunity. And I need to do this because of XYZ, but this is more like, oh, I really, I’m walking into this like really grateful and like excited about it.

And not just because it’s going to like push my planning company or it’s going to make the Bradford better, but because it’s going to make me better, you know, and they’re seeking you out because of who you are not. I mean, it’s just, it’s just a different level that’s I think really interesting to be in.

Courtney: Yeah, I agree. I totally agree. So what is something that you’ve learned about yourself over the last year, like on reflection? 

Dana: This has been a hard, hard personal year. I feel like, I think I actually really do struggle a lot with, I haven’t I’ve noticed about myself, but I only have ever like, said it out loud or like admitted it, I guess. But like, I really do struggle a lot with like bouts of like depression and like really dark times.

And I’ve always been able to just push through it and it’s, this is the first year I’m like, Nope, I’m just can’t do it. Yeah, and like, I just can’t. 

Courtney: You feel things very intensely. 

Dana: Yeah. And they don’t go away easily. It’s hard. It’s, it’s just, there’s a, there’s so many things. And I feel like I love people so much that it’s, I can’t help it. I mean, on the same side, I also like what I have leaned into and what I know more than I’ve ever known by myself is that I’m, I’m really good at what I do. Like. And I mean, this sounds really egotistical, but like, I’m really good at what I do. Like, and I think there’s always been a time when I, I don’t know.

Courtney: Doubted that or felt like that imposter syndrome. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I think you’re good at what you do. I think you’re a good leader. Like you’re a good motivator and I think you, are a good sharpener and sometimes that’s really painful.

You know, but I think that’s what you are, you know? What’s something I’ve learned about myself over the last year, well, one of the things I’ve learned negatively about myself or, I don’t know if it’s negative or just actually it’s like, I have really no concept of time.

Oh yeah, I really like things that seemed forever ago could have been yesterday. Things that were yesterday may have been forever ago. And there was something about the way things are ordered in my brain that is just not quite chronological. So I’ve learned that about myself, which is really odd, odd thing, but I think it also kind of allows me allows me to process things the way that I process things, you know? So it could be defense mechanism. That’s just like, so entrenched that it’s just there, you know? So I’ve learned that about myself.

I mean, I, I knew a lot about myself, like coming into the year. I did a yoga retreat this year and kind of went through some of like my past self and future self and like what, what I know about myself and I don’t know about myself and did some goal setting and some kind of like mantra making. So that was really interesting that there is still a lot about my childhood, things that I was told or things that I believed about myself that translate into my adulthood, that I didn’t think was hindering me as much as it was 

Dana: Goddamn childhood. 

Courtney: I know it’s always a childhood and it’s not even like I had like a bad necessarily childhood, but it definitely had its own struggles. Maybe everyone’s childhood has struggles. 

Dana: Everyone. There’s there is no perfect childhood. 

Courtney: Yeah. Well, I think there’s something about something so foundational about being a child and having things happen to you and you’re kind of powerless to change them that makes you intrinsically believe it. Do you know what I mean?

It’s very strange. I read, I read this interesting article on like How, it’s not your child’s job to show empathy to you. Like it’s your job as a parent to model empathy and grace and forgiveness. And that’s how you, that’s how you teach humans to be empathetic humans. But to just expect that your child’s going to model grace or empathy back to you as a, is a misconception of other, of parents, right?

It’s your job as the adult to like model those things. Interesting. And I think about that sometimes. and I’m not saying it wasn’t modeled empathy or anything like that, but just how formative those years are and how the adults around you unknowingly are like structuring this like schema for like how you’re going to live your adult life.

Yeah. No pressure, no pressure. 

Being a parent is just so fun. 

It is, I know. It is so fun, so fun and so hard. 

Dana: All right. So, what is something that you hope to improve on in 2022? This could be personal. It could be professional. It could be both.

Courtney: I think like efficiencies and systems, like I’m always trying to like figure out, what works for me personally, whether that’s personally or professionally, not necessarily what should work for me, because oftentimes what should work for me, doesn’t work for me. And it’s not the most efficient way of doing things for me personally.

Right. So I think working on efficiencies, both work and home, maybe time management. Oh, no, I have, like, I have a terrible time management. I am constantly doing things, but I’m constantly doing so many things. Like it’s like, a bajillion thing going on in my mind at one time, just being able to like, settle that down and focus on something sometimes can be a difficult task for me.

Dana: I want to improve on like, creating like stronger boundaries. And I think we’ve already started doing that. Like Courtney had a great idea of setting like office hours for our collective girls. So like, that’s just the time we know we’re going to be ready. And it really helps me not derail my days, like getting stuck in a conversation or whatever. I know it’s coming; I can be better prepared for it. And just being better about that. Like, I feel like every year we start out so good about, okay, we’re going to have these meetings and we’re going to do this.

And then they just kind of fall to the wayside. And I think what it does is you’re always playing catch up. So just creating like better, better boundaries in the office, but then also just with other people that are professionals, I mean saying no a little bit more, being more strategic with my time.

Courtney: And not accepting every coffee date, right? 

Dana: Yeah, but also like giving myself the space to be able to feed in to somebody else, you know, because I feel like the problem is, and it’s what we love to do. Like, we love mentoring people. We love helping and connecting people and we love all that stuff, but we’ve always had like, oh, like consulting will only take on big jobs cause we don’t have the time or the energy and I’m, you know, and like that is true. It’s because we don’t have the time energy because we don’t have boundaries in other places, you know?

Courtney: Right. So you need to create some more efficiencies. 

Dana: Yeah. I mean, but it’s like looking at our schedule next year. So we’ve already like, kind of started talking about like, when we’re going to have office hours, when we’re going to be recording.

Cause we had to come into Raleigh for it, and then we also are teaching in Raleigh. So like that takes a chunk of your time and your week, and so like trying to be really mindful of stacking things. So like Tuesdays and Thursdays are just full stack days. And then Monday, Wednesday, Friday, it’s just office days and keeping to that, like, meaning if you want to get coffee, you need to get coffee at 9:00 AM on a Thursday when I’m already in Raleigh and I’m already traveling somewhere. You know what I mean? 

Courtney: Yeah. What is something that you’d like to do more of, or spend more time investing in throughout next? What’s something that you need more for next year?

Dana: Sleep. I’d like to invest in my bed. 

Courtney: Okay. I have some gray sheets that Mikael got me for my birthday. There from Nordstrom’s or like the Nordstrom brand of sheets, and they just are nicer and nicer. Every time you wash them out, I do feel like they’re very nice to sleep on and promote good sleep. 

Dana: Yeah. I, well, so last weekend, I was like trying to iron my mind around Thanksgiving and I was like counting all the plates I had

and so I was like ordered a few of my extra China plates, which is super fun. The pink ones, you can only get them on eBay or they have my replacement sometimes. But I found some on eBay that had them and they sent you in time. And so I was like, I told Sam, I was like, you know what? I think I’m just going to go out by myself.

He said are you going to take a kid. I was like, no, no, I’m just going to go by myself. Like, I’m just going to go shopping and just go putz around target, and I spent three hours by myself and I realized I am never by myself. I am never by myself. Like even on my sacred Mondays, I used to have like cause Sam works from home now. And I love that too. Like, we spend a lot of time together, which is great. Like, I don’t want to give that time. I would love to have more alone time, yeah. Like just to kind of reset and like recharge. And I don’t know. 

Courtney: Some of my good friends have done some solo traveling. Like Krista did like 10 days in I think Ireland by herself, which I thought was super interesting and Deanna, who is an artist in Georgia that we grew up with, she just did two weeks in France, like not an artist residency. And like both of these women have three children, right, and like, obviously all of the things that come along with that and jobs and things that they do.

And yet they were able to take this. And. I’m always looking at like in awe like to take this chunk of like solo time. But I think it’s so necessary. 

Dana: Yeah. I don’t think I want to do that a resident too much of an extrovert for that. I just need snippets

 like last night, one of the, there were kids or they’re in this phase where they argue over everything right. And so they were arguing about something and I heard mom and I was like, mom’s not here. And Henry was like, you just answered me. I was like, I’m not here. I’m not here. Figure it out, like, figure it out, whatever stupid fight you’re having. Just figure it out. But I’m not here. 

Courtney: Yeah, something that I like to do more of, or spend more time investing in throughout the next year. Sometimes I feel like, especially with our industry, like our years are always just planned out in advance and it’s like, what am I going to do in 2023? What am I doing in 2024? Those are more open-ended questions. 

Dana: Sam’s always like, he’s like, how do you, he, I always could amaze him cause he’d be like, November 13th. I was like, oh yeah, that’s Saturday. And he’s like, how, how do you know the day? I was like, cause we literally have all these plans, and at that time it’s because we had so many weddings. I knew, okay, well there’s a wedding on the 20th, on Saturday, then I’m working there for the 30th has to be a Saturday, or whatever. 

Courtney: But yeah. So my time’s already going to be invested, but we are building a house, 2022. So I think that’ll probably be a lot of where my time is spent, getting that finished and furnished and everything, all the things everybody transitioned over.

I’ll have a puppy, at this time, because we are getting a dog the Monday after Thanksgiving, unbeknownst to my kids. So they’re going to come home from school and just have a puppy. And I have held the line for what, like eight years now about getting a dog. 

Dana: So I almost convinced Liam that he wasn’t getting a dog 

Courtney: surely. I think the occupants that, like, are they really, are we ever really going to get a dog? So I’ll be doing that. I want to say a little more time traveling some like, whether it be with speaking or just little Johns here and there, like, I feel like for 2022. I think it’s important to be inspired, like get some outside inspiration. Like I feel like a little stagnant, you know, 

Dana: I know I; I do feel that and 

Courtney: I feel that too. I feel that for our company, I feel that for us. 

Dana: Yeah. I think that is a good point that I hadn’t really thought until you said that that it’s because we’re not like, probably the most energized we really were, was we came back from experience and it really wasn’t because that

Courtney: I guess was not that much of an experience.

Dana: No it wasn’t. But I think it’s just being around other people and like just talking to other entrepreneurs and this podcast has inspired a lot for me too. It was just,

Courtney: it’s been fun, learning about other people’s experiences and some of the similarities and differences and some of the aha things like, oh, that’s a great idea.

I know, but like, it only makes me a stronger right. Small business owner. So yeah, I think just getting like some inspiration, I mean, one of the best things, like best things for 2021 was when our trip to St. Petersburg. Yeah. And it wasn’t even long. It was just like a few days, but it was so fun. I know. And like so inspiring and it was relaxing and I felt recharged afterwards.

Um, like just what I needed. Yeah. 

Dana: You know, I know, I kudos to you. I do feel that, I mean, and they were talking about that because we used me and saying, do you use to travel a lot, travel all the time? Like we used to just go and do something for a weekend and we haven’t in so long. And I don’t know if it’s just obviously pandemic, whatever, but I don’t know if it’s just the age of the kids too.

It’s hard to get away on the weekends now with sports and everything, but I do hope I’m going to add that to me, I do have to do that more with Sam. Yeah. I think it’s necessary. 

Courtney: To know more like inspiration. Yeah. Yeah. I agree. I think also it helps you with, you know, making decisions and being in a creative field, you have to be fed creatively. And I feel like sometimes we neglect that. 

Dana: Oh, I know. Yeah. 

Courtney: I’m really, I’m really looking forward to creating more like a retreat. I’m a hermit, like I could stay home indefinitely. If like delivery, like groceries got delivered to us or something I would never leave. and the longer I’m home, the harder it is for me to leave my house. But, I’m really, I’m looking forward to like creating a retreat type space for myself and my family and myself. 

Dana: No, it is nice. I thought, I mean, I felt that when we moved off the property, well, and my home is my refuge. I mean, like, it is like where I feel the happiest, the calmest, like, like nothing compares to it. Yeah, so what’s one thing you hope is different by the end of next year. 

Courtney: COVID 

Dana: I think that is the obvious answer. I don’t know. I, there’s so many things I hope that are different by the end of next year that aren’t going to like actually happen that I hope for.

Courtney: Well, let’s, let’s make this a microcosm. What is something you want to be different in your business, and in your life like that you can control?

Dana: I hope that we have hired enough people in the collective and train them well that we, that is becoming a better run enterprise. 

Courtney: That’s a good one, yep. 

Dana: Personally, I don’t know. I don’t have, I mean, I hope that as the kids get older, like our relationship stays good. I mean, like it’s been, they’re kind of at a fun age, like, yeah, they’re fun. It’s fun to see their personalities. It’s like, I was, don’t have a grudge, like taking them on vacation. Like I don’t feel like I need to get away from them, you know? As I just said, I didn’t want to deal with my kids.

Courtney: Not for long periods of time, short periods.

Dana: You know what I mean? Like they are fun. Like it’s, it is kind of neat to see their kind of quirkiness. but I hope that that doesn’t change. Yeah. So they still like me and then. Hey, that doesn’t think I’m like the most terrible person in the world. 

Courtney: Does she think you’re the most terrible person in the world now? No. Oh, she gets, I’d like to point out that you didn’t even answer the question.

What do you hope is? 

Dana: different? I know I was saying, I hope it’s not different. That’s right. Yeah. That’s what I said. I hope it’s not different. Okay. She gets really spicy at me sometimes, but you know, yeah. That’s just 11-year-olds. I think. I think it is. What do you hope is different by the end of next year?

Courtney: What do I hope is different by the end of next year? That I’ve actually moved. Yeah, that would be so nice so nice. I just want to snap my fingers and it’d be done, which is not going to happen. So there’s that like, kind of like just resettled in that space. Business-wise I definitely echo the collective sentiment, but just a little more like another layer of separation in the way that we run things.

So there’s like maybe even another layer before it hits the top, which would be Dana and I, so we can keep pursuing what it is that right. It is that we want to pursue. I’m imagining that we’re traveling more because we’re speaking more. I mean next year is kind of a big year. Like, well, we’ll have to taught our course by the end of next year and we’ll see how that goes.

I can only imagine like what doors that’s going to open. I have no idea, but I’m super excited to be in that space again. so I think at the end of next year, just being a little more energized for stepping into 2023 and having maybe a little bit more focus, but not control. I still want the river to flow and I still want to be going where it’s going, but just a little bit more focused as to what that looks like.

Cause I think we’ve made decisions and we’re going in directions, it still feels a little like murky, like picture is not clear, or not clear at all. And I’ve definitely walked into years where the picture was clearer. 

Dana: Oh yeah, no, I totally feel that. 

Courtney: All right. I love this question. I promise to do blank every month next year

Dana: I promised to vacuum out my car every day, every month, every day, every day, I promise to vacuum out my car every month next year. I do is I do pretty much now. 

Courtney: That’s good. That’s, that’s a good goal. It’s much different than past years. Very deep. I can tell you’re very deep here. Promise to do blank every month. I promise. 

Oh, are we supposed to go deep? 

I don’t know. I know you’re all over the place. I promise to do a, and Mikael and I have these weekly, we call them, we call them our state of the union day on Monday. That’d be just kind of like, here’s the state of the union. Like, this is what needs to happen. This is where we’re at. This is like the stuff that we’re trying to get done. Some are more productive than others.

But I think we need to have a state of the union every month for our business. Our business, a partnerships state of the union, like this is rad, this is what’s stressing me out, where the finances are, this is what things coming down the pipeline so everybody just has a clear picture of where the other is at and what we’re doing and what we’re working on to hold each other accountable or to rebalance or whatever and I think it would be helpful, even if it was just once a month, I think it’d be helpful. 

I think so too

because I think weekly is probably not realistic. 

Not realistic. 

You don’t even get your, to do list done from week to week so you’re just like ditto last week, but monthly, I think could definitely be a thing and maybe it should be like make it like a real enjoyable thing. Like we go out to breakfast or we go out to lunch and it’s like something that you look forward to. 

Dana: Yeah, that’s a good one. Yeah. You don’t want to vacuum out your car every month?

Courtney: I don’t want someone to vacuum out my car every month. I don’t know if I want it to be me. All right. So very specific here, very specific top 3 goals for the next year.

Dana: Top three goals for next year 

Courtney: and has to be, one personal two professional.

Dana: Oh, okay. Well, professionally, I think I want to get more comfortable speaking. I, I’m fine. Like, I get really nervous when we first start, and I get anxious leading up to it. And once I’m on the stage, I feel. But I think giving myself a little bit more, being more confident, walking up there and, and, and owning what I know, like owning it and not just trying to like, justify it away or minimize, but like owning it.

Sure. So that’s good. Yeah, I think another good professional goal for me is to be more open to other people’s ideas, critiques, whatever. Kind of get out of the martyr mindset of like, I’m the only one that knows how to do it. Do you know what I mean? 

Courtney: I know what you’re saying, but I think you’re like be more open to almost like delegating.

Dana: Yeah. And that delegating is not the, because like I can delegate. It’s not delegating. It’s when I feel like I have a hard time when I’m like taking on a task and I’m trying to I’m kind of leading it and I’m, it’s like my brain child of sorts. I have a harder time taking critique and ideas because I feel like, where have you been, like, I’ve been doing this, do you know what I mean?

Even though it’s not like, like you haven’t shown up because you didn’t want to show up or whatever, it’s just more, cause I’ve just started it, right? Yeah. just being more open to hearing other ideas. Cause I do feel like ideas together are better than just, yours minds that ever like when you combine them.

Yeah. And just having an attitude adjustment about it, I guess that’s probably the biggest thing. 

Courtney: Like I think sometimes you have a really strong feeling about how things should go, but you don’t communicate clearly about, so you’re like, I’m not in your head. I have no idea. So I feel like oftentimes then on the back end, you get annoyed trying to get somebody else up to speed even.

So I think it’s more along the lines of communication slash being open.

Dana: I don’t know. I mean, I don’t like, I can have a conversation with you and I can have the same conversation with Molly and Molly will be driving it. Like, she’ll be like, hey, got it and do it. And I’m not communicating any differently. Yeah. It’s just like, it’s, it’s maybe it’s recognizing like, like how people receive information is very different. Yeah., and being able to be better at tailoring that message to each specific person. Do you know what I mean?

Courtney: I agree. I think that’s good. Yeah. That’s a good one. Yeah. So what’s a personal goal. 

Dana: I have to go on more dates with my husband, I mean, I think like we haven’t gone a date in forever. We haven’t dated in forever. Like I just, I feel like, and it’s good, but whenever we’re out with, like, we were like really, really, really enjoy it.

I’m like, oh, it’s like so fun, not being home with you. 

Courtney: That’s nice. It’s a good, it’s a good goal.

Dana: Yeah. 

Courtney: Alright, specific goals, two professional and one personal. Can I say getting into our house? Is that a fine personal? I feel like it’s going to be the work of 2022 for me to get all of that done.

Dana: It’s not fun. I mean, do you remember me moving? It was like, 

Courtney: yeah, I know terrible. It’s just, I just like, not looking forward to it.

Dana: I’m not looking forward to it. So I’m going to get dragged into it. 

Courtney: Maybe I think professionally like finding our you know, our flow with teaching, I think is, feel like that’s important work for us to do so. I think that that’s it. Yeah. A great goal and kind of to get back into that academic community, I think is important goal. 

And Work-wise. I don’t know. I think for me, for 2022, I really want to figure out the infrastructure for our collective, like how it’s going to be, get it off the plate. Like I just, we’ve tried different things and danced around things and threw things out and taking things back. But like, I run a really like throw things out and not take them back. Yeah. You know what I mean? Like for real in 2022. And I definitely wouldn’t. I like, I love the office hours. I wouldn’t be like that support, but just as the, like the mental part of it, I want to be able to just to find that right person and outsource it or train the right person or, and really just kind of have that structure and get those SOPs and things in place.

Like this is how we structure it. So if we ever have to fill in different roles, it’s just hiring for that role and not reinventing the wheel, cause I feel like for the collective, like we’ve reinvented it like, so 30, 11 times. Oh my gosh. How many times? You know, and I just want, I just need for that to be right, done. 

Dana: Yeah. But there is some things I think are there’s, there’s big things that I feel like I don’t even know how to get out of. Yeah, sure. Like I don’t even know how we’re ever going to extricate herself from it. Yeah. But you know, we’ll figure it out. Yeah. What is something you’re excited to say goodbye to?

Courtney: I feel like, and not to be like super deep or personal. I always feel like every year I’m definitely learning more about myself and like how I act or don’t act or why I do things or why I don’t do things. So like some of the ways that I’ve acted that have been like cowardly or like fearing confrontation above all else. And like, especially how that’s worked out in our partnership, because I feel like we’ve had a tough year, but we’ve also had a really great year. And so I think just taking all of that and learning it and applying it to 2022 and 2023.

I’m excited about it, you know? Yeah. But definitely some of those kinds of like internal, like what makes you tick, why you act that way, like taking the time to sit back and reflect on that. And so we can make better decisions later in the future, I think. Yeah. 

Dana: Yeah, I want to say goodbye to the questioning of intentions, like 

Courtney: you mean between our partnerships, 

Dana: like, oh, it’s just understood. Like that you can get back to the place where you said this, you did this and okay. You hurt my feelings or I don’t like it, but I never questioned the intention behind it. Yeah. And same thing for me, like when I say something to you or when I come into the office and I’m having a day, it’s like your mind spins with all these things that you think is happening and it’s, you know, not, yeah. So it’s just like getting back to like understanding who we are, on a deeper level, know that when conflict does arise and things do happen, that there’s no question about like what we think about each other and what our intentions are overall.

Courtney: Yeah. I think, I mean, I think that, totally. I know. And I feel like it’s on we’re on that path, yes. But I definitely feel like it’s a really odd, the older I get, the more autonomy, I feel even from like the different roles that I play, like whether it’s like wife, mother, business partner, whatever. But then at the same time, the more entrenched I feel in our partnership, like it’s a very, very odd feeling that the more myself. I feel like the more of your energy, I feel, I don’t know if that’s genetic. I don’t know if that’s woo woo. 

I really can’t say, but that’s, I feel like there’s something very defining about me that can only be explained by Dana. 

Dana: Oh, that’s I think there’s a lot of truth there, but I mean, I totally think that. I never talk to Sam about anything. And he’ll, he’ll say something and he’ll make some comment about like, about you or whatever. And I’m like, that’s not Courtney. Like that doesn’t make any sense. Like, you know, and he’s like, well, I just know, like from an, from like what I’ve seen or whatever I was like, but it’s so bizarre how, and I’m sure the same way is how we come across to people.

And someone makes like a snap judgment or makes a decision about who you are based on that interaction. And you’re just like, wow, you’re like so far off base there. That’s like, totally not the case. Yeah. You know, and it makes me realize like how much I really, really, really, really do know you very, very, very well. Like better than probably anybody else. 

Courtney: Or for me. It’s like, how much of, like, I feel your energy, like how responsible, whether it’s like my responsibility or not my responsibility. I feel for like how you feel I do, 

Dana: because my energy has been so sad this year, has been depressive. 

Courtney: Yeah, 37 was a hard year for me though. Like, I have a lot of hope for you at 38. I really do. Yeah. I think it’s like going to be building and we’re just like going to hit a peak hit your stride. Like 37 was the year that I had a bajillion hangover, not for overdrinking, but like literally like my body chemistry changed and like the way that I felt changed and it was a really hard year for me.

Dana: I also had a lot of hangovers that year, but I was 35.

Courtney: Same year. 

Well, cheers to 2022. It’s going to be a good one. I’m excited about the things coming down the pipeline side about the podcast. I’m excited about People that were going to be able to meet and meet and maybe inspire, or maybe just make laugh or, you know, whatever.

Totally. So, yeah. Cheers to 2022. 

Dana: Yup. And we will be back in the new year. We are going to take these last two weeks off and we back on the first Monday in January. Yep. Hope you guys are 

Courtney: celebrating great with your family and friends for the holidays. 

Dana: Thanks everyone for gathering us today to talk about the hustle.

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Courtney: and I’m Courtney. 

Dana: And we’ll talk to you next time on Hustle and Gather.